Cap & Dividend - salable strategy for appropriate energy pricing in Canada?

First time I've heard of this idea, "Cap & Dividend". (Bill McKibben, author of "Eaarth" interviewed on Charlie Rose broadcast last night) - The idea is to tax dirty energy and mail everyone a dividend cheque to spend on their choice: dirty, clean or none, invest in one's starving children, in stamp collections or Egg McMuffins or steel companies on Asian stock markets. Harper seems to like mailing cheques, the social conservatives would like the "equal" treatment angle and they could re-embarrass the Liberals over Dion's Cap & Trade supposed fiasco. The NDP would have to see it as a real world solution and might find themselves courted Westminster-style as coalition partners. This could actually work in Canada's paralyzed minority environmental standoff. If only the PMO read science or hadn't fired any public servant who did.

  "An American environmentalist and writer, Bill McKibben is the founder of 350.org, an international climate campaign. This October 10, 350.org is organizing the second annual 350 International Day of Climate Action, with thousands of events planned at iconic places around the world. Bill frequently writes about global warming, alternative energy, and the risks associated with human genetic engineering. Beginning in the summer of 2006, he led the organization of the largest demonstrations against global warming in American history." http://www.charlierose.com/guest/view/6904

 

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Cap & Dividend: Cutting Cheques, Not Re-investing in Canada

Just a few quick comments.

I’m not sure that I support the redistribution of wealth created by dirty producers so that cheques are cut and mailed to all Canadians. The fact is, there is a certain segment of society who will be better able to absorb higher energy prices, and they don’t need the money. The people who will be hit hardest, by businesses passing on their Cap & Trade costs to consumers through higher pricing. Not to mention higher prices on consumer products through a carbon tax.

Don’t misunderstand me: we need to put a price on carbon. But we must be very careful how we work this, because the vulnerable in our society are going to be the most impacted. The fact is we’ve set up our whole society to run off of cheap energy, and when the price goes up, the poor are going to be impacted disproportionately, Guaranteed Livable Income or not.

Redistributing money to consumers won’t achieve the results we need in order to make our society function that much better. Fact is, we need massive, targeted investment in infrastructure to make this reduced-carbon world work better.

To me, this idea sounds a lot like "tax cuts as economic stimulus". No, let’s not go down this road. We’re already calling for massive cuts to income taxes as part of our tax shifting plan. Let’s not start mailing cheques out from revenues derived from dirty energy credits. Let’s use the money wisely, and build a better Canada.

I can’t imagine the NDP being onside with this idea either.

"Sudbury" Steve May

The old 'how to sell' issue

I like our current policy of using carbon (and other pollution) taxes to cut payroll taxes first, then income taxes. 

To sell a new tax you have to show the voters how it would benefit them in the short & long run.  Long run is the improved environment.  Short run would be the cash they'd keep on every paycheque (especially for those earning under $50k per year as it maxes out at that income level).  Also it would encourage companies to hire as it (if it replaced EI/CPP/etc) could cut red tape and would certainly cut the cost of having employees.

The cheques to each household would increase initial buy in and make it obvious to each taxpayer but the administration cost would be significant and anyone who fails to file a tax return would not get the cheque (that is the traditional way of doing these things) plus it would do nothing directly to encourage companies to hire more people.

John Northey
Wellington-Halton Hills

Simple is good

For all the debate and angst we have endured and will continue to endure on the climate issue (and its close cousins the energy crisis and the economic crisis), the solution to all these related ills ultimately rests on one simple step: pricing sustainable energies below the price of fossil energy. Once electricity from water, wind, tide and geothermal costs less than burning carbon fuels, there will be a massive consumer migration from the latter to the former. Household energy, industrial energy, transportation energy will quickly convert to sustainable/renewable sources.

The cap and dividend plan is the simplest method of achieving this. It allows consumer choice, and consumer choice in a government-mandated pricing shift will solve these crises painlessly. Let the market do the heavy lifting.

British Columbia started down this road, then forgot where it was going. It introduced the first carbon tax in North America, then it increased hydro rates so that the price of sustainable energy is rising here even faster than for fossil energy. This province still offers huge subsidies to the fossil fuel industry. Such a plan won't work.

Cap and dividend is the simplest answer - the sooner we realize this, the happier we'll all be.

There is a corollary to this. Since prices follow supply and demand, and current North American energy reliance is 80% fossil, 20% sustainable at best, sustainable energy prices cannot stay low unless we massively increase our wind & water energy generation. For the foreseeable future we simply cannot have too much sustainable energy capacity. We need to increase sustainable energy generation fourfold to reverse these figures to 80% sustainable, 20% fossil, which is a reasonable and attainable goal. Ontario energy policies at least are moving in the right direction on this.

 

 

Chris Aikman Vancouver Island North northislandgreens.ca

Please no Cap schemes

I think one of the sanest voices in the debate over how to tackle Global Warming is that of James Hanson, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies and one of the world's leading climatologists.

He is also the author of "Storms of my Grandchildren - The truth about the coming climate catastophe and our last chance to save humanity."

Dr Hanson minces no words when he calls Cap and Trade schemes nothing more than an opportunity for Wall street and the banks to fleece the public all over again.

And the Cap and Dividend scheme isn't much better - being more vulnerable to jerry rigging by special interests.

Furthermore any Cap scheme will cause wild fluctuations in energy prices, with the resulting uncertainties hindering businesses and individuals from investing in green technology.

And finally developing countries like China and India are not ready and willing to accept caps. They are much more likely to buy into a greenhouse gas tax dividend scheme.

Dr Hanson advocates a 100% carbon tax dividend scheme. I have tried to frame this proposal into a policy resolution for our upcoming convention. I urge any and all party members to check it out on the Policy resolution discussion forum. I need 20 sponsors to bring the resolution to the convention. Please make a difference.

Q. re: carbon tax dividend...how will it work?

Eric, a quick question: who should keep the dividend?  The state, or private individuals who are mailed a rebate cheque? 

If it's the state which profits, how would this be different than a carbon tax?

If it's to be private individuals who are in receipt of the dividend, how will that promote reinvestment in the green economy?

Post your proposal here...but do so quickly.  The deadline for resolutions is fast approaching.

"Sudbury" Steve May

My proposal

Hi Steve

All the revenue genenerated goes back to the residents in equal monthly amounts, as opposed to some of it goes to this and that government program, and this and that government tax cut, each benefiting different people to differing degrees.

Meanwhile the gradually rising tax on resources that generate greenhouse gases will send the market signals in terms of higher prices that trigger consumers to invest in conservation and greener technologies

To get to the policy forum, click the Convention 2010 Toronto picture, then Resolutions, then Policy Lab.  It's kind of hidden away there, so I'll copy it out here as per your request :

It seems to me the threat of Global warming ought to be the number one concern of everyone on this planet, so it is certainly disheartening to see how the powers that be (ie oil,gas,coal interests and their political allies) seem to have blocked any solution to the crisis.

To my way of thinking, and many others, a carbon tax is the best strategy - the trick is to make it politically palitable. I also think Jim Hanson's proposal for a 100% carbon tax dividend is probably the best solution as it divorces itself from any consideration of income tax effects - and the uncertainty of who wins and who loses, and the distrust over how the goverment spends the tax revenue.

It is straightforward, simple and doesn't need a large bureaucary. Anyone who consumes less than the average amount of greenhouse gas emitting products and services will benifit directly, and those consuming above the average will pay more. And everyone will have an incentive to reduce their use of greenhouse gas emitting products and services, and will be rewarded evenly and appropiately for their efforts.

Two senior Green party members have looked at the resolution and basically support the thrust of it. One however had reservations about provincial distribution. While the tax/dividend would be administered nationally and the tax would be national, I am suggesting any attempt to distribute the dividend accoss provincial boundaries, judging by past experience would no doubt cause unending conflict. Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland would simply not agree that funds raised in taxing gas and oil resourses should be distributed to Ontario and Quebec. That is why I worded it as I did.


Greenhouse Gas Tax Dividend Resolution
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Whereas Global Warming is the most serious threat to life on our planet,

and whereas a Greenhouse gas tax is the most effective and efficient way to remedy Global Warming,

and whereas the Carbon tax proposals of the federal Green and Liberal parties did not find favour with the majority of voters in the last election due in part to the unclear costs and benefits associated with these tax schemes,

be it resolved that


1. The Green party of Canada commit to a 100% Greenhouse gas tax dividend scheme.

And whereas Canada is a confederation of provinces and territories, with varied greenhouse gas emitting resources from which they derive revenue,

be it resolved that


2. The total greenhouse tax collected within any province or territory be distributed equally among the residents of that province or territory.

And whereas such a tax dividend scheme would not be fair to domestic industries when importing or exporting goods and services,

be it resolved that

3. All companies or indivduals exporting goods be credited the difference between the Canadian greenhouse gas tax and the export country's greenhouse gas tax, and all imported goods be taxed the difference between the Canadian greenhouse gas tax and the import country's greenhouse gas tax.

Hope this sounds reasonable.

 

 

Greening the energy market

From the above discussion thread, the impression persists that "cap and trade" and "cap and dividend" are similar  - they aren't. All the reservations about cap and trade appear justified - it's a gift to the financial sector without any guarantee that greener energy will be produced. On the other hand, a carbon tax alone won't work if the government continues to subsidize fossil energy, as is happening in British Columbia.

So what's needed? Two things:

  1. Tax carbon suppliers (not emitters)
  2. Provide benefits of the tax to consumers (not financiers)

As soon as fossil energy costs more than sustainable energy, the conversion from the former to the latter will occur with astonishing speed. It's called the power of the consumer.

http://www.capanddividend.org/?q=readfirst

Chris Aikman Vancouver Island North northislandgreens.ca